History?
Does anyone know who invented the sunbed, what country it was used in, how it came to popularity, etc? Thanks. Deco 23:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps add something comparing use of sunbeds to outdoor tanning (e.g. for a given level of tanning, a sunbed seems to be typically debated as equally or less dangerous than outdoor tanning).
Tanning Salon Marketing Ideas Video
Mood
I see that this article says that Europeans tan for 'mood benefits' but I read somewhere else that tanning doesn't have medically accepted mood benefits. Is this just marketing hype? There are no citations. I'm new- should I just remove stuff like this with no citations or what? OK, I've read more of the article, and when you get to "benefits" it gets absurd. The phrasing is totally 'salesmanship' and completely distorts any objective take on the 'feel good' benefits of tanning by using a negative citation in a positive light.Universalss (talk) 21:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Dopamine, serotonin, and endorphins are a few examples mood changing/regulating chemicals that occur naturally in the brain and the levels can be changed by drugs, exercising, exposure to sunlight, etc. There is also light therapy for people who experience seasonal affective disorder which is depression that occurs when there is less sunlight during the winter months. However, this therapy uses UV-free lights to avoid the risks of UV exposure but any kind of light would be beneficial. Vitamin D is also linked to mood and can only be absorbed by sunlight or by a vitamin supplement. 209.129.115.6 (talk) 20:24, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Helping Hand?
I have done a great deal more work on this piece, but for some reason the text always cuts off after the opening paragraph and the first citation. I've gone through the notes I received when I first became a member of Wikipedia, but I'm stymied. Any help would be appreciated -- either here or on my personal Talk page. Thanks in advance. FuturePresent 09:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Working on it
For full disclosure, I have worked in the industry for over a decade, but promise to keep my contributions balanced. I have added to article, and will get some more history with exact dates, as well as citations soon.Pharmboy 12:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Plagiarism
The first paragraph of the history section is plagiarized from one of the reference links at the bottom.
Replaced content
I replaced the first paragraph, and corrected the spelling of Friedrich. I had to remove the link on his name, as the article it points to is NOT him. Might need that name to point to a different page that lets the user choose which Friedrich Wolff they want to read about. Added other neutral content as to history, including about Jorg Wolff, Friedrich's brother and owner of Cosmedico, one of the largest tanning bed lamp makers in the world. Added internal link to 21CRF1040.20 which is the federal law that covers tanning beds most directly.
The lack of cites are due to the fact that the information is "common knowledge" for those of us who work in the industry. I don't work for any of the companies named, and will get more details and cites later. I want to add a list of state regulatory agencies, but don't think it appropriate to link to the site of the company I work for, even if the page has no ads or products. Not sure if this should be a seperate page here or what. I made the list and am authorized to put it in the Public Domain, but the list would actually be useful since every state has different laws on commercial tanning. Input on how to do this appropriately is welcomed. Pharmboy 18:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Update: I cleaned up the first paragraph of the entire article, which was a little confusing and not entirely correct, and added some information. Pharmboy 19:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Request to change article title to "Tanning Bed"
I would request this article be changed to "tanning bed" rather than "sunbed" for the english version. From my experience, the vast majority of people in the US use the term tanning bed, and the term sunbed is almost never used (less than 3% based on search terms, relative to "tanning bed"). This is based on being in the business 13 years. I am confident Wikipedia gets more hits/redirects from "tanning bed" to here than people who search "sunbed". Pharmboy 23:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Survey
- Support. I'd really expect a "sunbed" to be accompanied with an umbrella :-). I'll trust your judgment and research about the "tanning bed" being the most common term. Duja 09:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Peter O. (Talk) 08:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Sunbed is certainly the most common name in Britain. Pharmboy's concerns could be taken care of with a simple redirect from Tanning bed. --Asteriontalk 17:37, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- Support per Duja. -- nae'blis 00:04, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Vegaswikian 07:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Moved
I have moved the main article over to Tanning bed since there was no opposition and regular members supported the move. Any new discussion should be directed to the discussion page of Tanning bed. Not moving any of the discussion memos to the new name. Pharmboy 10:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Inappropriate images
I removed nude image that was recently added, as it adds no context to the topic. Nudes just for the sake of nudes are not appropriate, as is any image that doesn't add meaning to the actual article. Pharmboy 19:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Benefits Needs Rewriting.
I have edited out most of "benefits" since it was being used as a soapbox against tanning, thus what the subtopic even indicated. Also, links were broken or did not say what was indicated. To keep a NPOV, this article shouldn't be turned into someone's private playground to preach against tanning. We need both risks and benefits explained honestly. Pharmboy 17:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Looks like you finished it up... should we delete this discussion here? Angelatomato 06:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Recent revert, plus cite request
Reverted several changes, including the "tanorexia is a myth" segment by users 67.184.196.241 and 69.255.254.108. (I sell the beds and smart enough to know that tanorexia is a very rare, but very serious problem for some) Too many changes over too many edits, so I reverted the whole lot, including the user changing the meaning of content and making multiple sloppy edits that are just hard to track down.
On another note, the "cite" requested for tanning bed prescriptions is being hard to find without using original research, as I have handed several over the years, but haven't found others neutral sources that have published the fact that this happens. The reason is almost always for skin disorders, but have even seen it for athritis. Pharmboy 00:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Merge risks with suntanning
I have nominated the section on risks to be merged with suntanning. We need to keep a synopsys here, but most of the risks are not limited to tanning beds, but UV exposure. This article is supposed to be about the device, not UV in general. I think we can hit the main tanning bed only risks, touch on the UV risks in general, and then sun tanning really needs to have the risks expanded. This will also balance the POV issues we have here, and improve the sun tanning article, which is lacking the info even tho it applies more to it. Also removed the "tanning beds on tv" section. This is clearly trivia, which is strongly discouraged on wikipedia per policy. Pharmboy 23:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
After all, why did noone refer to Prof. Michael Holick's book " the UV advantage " ? The research isn't so unanonimous to state that a moderate use of tanning beds without sunburn causes skin cancer. Aganist scientific arrogance, as a layman I only would like to remember that twenty years ago, all researchers preached against consumation of butter ( false ) ; they preached a few years ago that moderate coffee consumtion causes heart deasese ( false ) ; they preached other so - called well known and totally justified medical facts that we all nowadays have to recognise as : false. So I would like to know how we can be so convinced after the poor research we have that tanning beds cause serious harms when used moderately. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.58.18.215 (talk) 15:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Needs Discussion About Hidden Cameras
There is a wide-spread rumour (in this country anyway) that its common for tanning beds to have hidden cameras connected to the internet. Could someone state whether this is just an urban myth or this happens from time to time? --Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.184.55.119 (talk) 19:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- the fact that "there is a wide-spread rumour" itself is an urban myth. There have been but a couple of cases in the 25 or so years of tanning salons, that I am aware of. And I keep up with this stuff. Pharmboy (talk) 19:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Please cite references for the section on the "typical" tanning pattern of patrons or remove it.
The section that says the typical tanning patron visits the salon 3 times a week should be cited, removed or marked as anecdotal observations. There is plenty of evidence that patrons to tanning beds do not have the same tanning patterns. A great majority of patrons in fact tan for a special event. Leaving the section as it is is misleading and lets the consumer think that it is the norm to do it three plus times a week.
Pest control
Wouldn't turning the bed on without a person present and leave it like that for say 2 hours be an effective method to kill most pests? Nil Einne (talk) 07:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Advert
This article is ridiculous, and despite the protestations of other users, reads essentially like advertising copy for the indoor tanning industry. There are numerous unsubstantiated claims of "benefits", as well as a poorly worded rebuttal of the proven FACT that indoor tanning significantly increases one's possibility of getting skin cancer. Whole sections are uncited and make unsubstantiated claims of a "growing market" for such devices.SiberioS (talk) 02:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
For the record, the stuff written about seasonal affective disorder, and the use of tanning beds, is absolute tosh. In fact, the citation that alleges to support such a thing, also shows up on other websites, essentially the same, under a different "author. (Citation in article)(Copycat Article), neither of whcih cites or explains exactly where this is coming from. I'll search through the professional literature, but I doubt I'll find anything. SiberioS (talk) 03:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
- The section was trimmed down. The SAD treatment is pretty old news, there should be plenty of newspaper articles on it. As to time savings, that was trimmed but it IS a benefit for people who tan. The purpose of the article isn't to take a stand on tanning in general (that would violate NPOV rules) but to instead explain what a tanning bed is. PHARMBOY (TALK) 10:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
- It doesn't read like an advert to me. There is sufficient coverage of the drawbacks to put most people off. (And I have nothing to disclose. I've never used a tanning bed, certainly never will, and I have no investments in the industry). Postlebury (talk) 13:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- The purpose shouldn't be to put people off or to entice them. The current article is sufficiently NPOV for the task. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 13:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- I understand that, but no one was alleging that the article contained insufficient positives to give a balanced view, so there was no reason to address that side of the balance issue. Postlebury (talk) 17:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't see any other mention in the comments of a sentence that is definitely problematic. Where is the citation or proof for this statement: "Also, most tanning beds generate a large amount of heat, including infrared, which has deep penetrating action that can relieve minor muscle aches." 71.113.197.95 (talk) 16:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Is lotion necessary?
Is it necessary to use sun lotion when using a tanning bed? I don't mean the special "bronzers" that are referred to in the article, as they appear to be an optional extra with a special purpose of their own, but ordinary lotion to protect against burning, as is used on a beach. Or do people just go in without anything on their skin? Postlebury (talk) 13:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
wanted to read about lights for growing plants
What article is that under? I searched sun lamp and was redirected here, with no see also to what I wanted to find. You know, the strong lights used for growing plants indoors. - Gilgamesh (talk) 22:49, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Typical Usage
This section needs to be re-written. The structure is poorly laid out and confusing and the facts are debateable at best. Europe is a large place as is the US, Italy and France get more sun than Seattle and New York for instance, not every american lives in California or Flordia. In addition there is no metion of the rest of the world. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.24.196.21 (talk) 15:06, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
The section about UV tanning being "quicker" is POV and misleading. The incident power flux on a user in a tanning booth is 5-10 times lower than the incident power flux on a user tanning outdoors, so the claims of a faster tan, plus a lower burn threshold are contradictory. I propose replacing the following:
"The tan produced by a tanning bed is just as deep as a tan produced in the sun. This is because tanning beds have similar levels of UV than the sun on a typical summer day. Exposure times are shorter than the average session spent in the sun to achieve the same amount of tan due to the proximity to the UV source."
With:
"A tanning bed produces light similar to that of the sun, and can provide a similarly deep tan. The incident power flux on a user is about 5 to 10 times less in a tanning bed than it is outdoors, despite the proximity to the light source. Exposure times may seem shorter due to the light surrounding the user, but this is not backed up by quantitative analysis."
My own analysis to reach these conclusions are as follows:
The average instantaneous solar flux at the surface of the earth is about 1400W/m^2.
Say a tanning bed uses 20 100w UV lamps. Assume the lamps are 100% efficient and 100% of the rated power output is reflected through a surface defined by a plane where the user lies. Assume the tanning bed is 2.2m x 1.3m (~7'x4'), then our plane has a surface area of 2 x 2.86m^2 = 5.72m^2 (we must consider the flux through the top of the plane as well as through the bottom of the plane since there will be an opaque slab in the middle). This gives us an effective maximum power flux of 2000w/5.72m^2 = 350w/m^2. Doubling the rated power still only gets you to half the energy flux of the sun.
I will give 1 week for discussion before making the change. Thank you. unsigned --Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.179.83 (talk) 18:33, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Magnetic fields
I'd like to see a discussion about the magnetic fields one is exposed to in a tanning bed. Also how the type of ballast affects the magnetic field. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.109.61 (talk) 01:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Alternatives for healthy skin
I've removed the "Alternatives for healthy skin" section for the following reasons:
- It has nothing to do with tanning beds
- Most of the text is copied verbatim from one of the sources
- The source linked on that page actually contradicts some of the claims (such as that diet makes an impact on melanoma risk)
Arthree (talk) 22:08, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Vitamin D Supplements
"However, the use of Vitamin D supplements provides a more reliable, cheaper and clearly safer way to obtain needed Vitamin D." I don't think this is correct. The safest and best way is to get your vitamin D via the skin. The consensus seems to be that supplementation might even be harmful if you try to achieve the correct levels that way. 94.194.89.118 (talk) 19:11, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
I agree in fact the whole section lacks the NPoV, I think the author lives below latitude 45, try those of us nearer the Artic circles see if we get sunburn --90.197.8.180 (talk) 22:49, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
- It is pretty hard to say a pill is better than evolution when it comes to Vitamin D, unless you have an agenda, so I tend to agree as well. Feel free to modify it being careful to keep it neutral and balanced. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 22:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Films and shows
In the 2006 film Final Destination 3 two teenage girls were killed in tanning beds when a wood board falls in between the beds, locking them in, as another chain reaction caused by a leaky frozen beverage increased the heat level, burning them alive.
In the 1998 film I Still Know What You Did Last Summer a young girl was locked in a sunbed by a murderer when the attacker used a twist tie to keep the bed from opening. The girl started screaming but her friends came, broke the twist tie and rescued her.
In the TV show Urban Legends on Discovery Channel a story was told about a young bride who wanted to be more tan. She used tanning beds three times each day until the wedding. On the day of the wedding, she feels bad symptoms and immediately dies, and it was later discovered that she over-tanned herself, cooking her insides, killing her.
I deleted this text, posted as "Films and shows" in the "Risks" section, because it is not only unsourced and misplaced, but utterly inappropriate in a discussion of a serious health-related topic. It's just silly. 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:F05D:49AD:7B3C:978C (talk) 08:31, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Unsourced material
There was a lot of unsourced material, some marked for years, in this article. I trimmed some of it. Please do no restore any without adding sufficient sources. 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:F05D:49AD:7B3C:978C (talk) 08:50, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Wolff is not the same as the ITA. The ITA is an industry organization for promoting the interests of the industry as a whole. Wolff is a company that contract manufacturers lamps, originally built by Sylvania, but they may be getting done by Narva now, I'm not sure. Many people things Wolff is something more than it is, but many companies used the name Wolff by paying royalty and using Wolff lamps in their beds. So you call Wolff a tanning lamp manufacturer, but it is incorrect to call them a tanning bed manufacturer. I'm not around a lot right now, but I've been in that industry over two decades, and while my words are original source and I have to be careful putting in copy, I can usually steer you in the right direction simply due to experience. And Wolff has a COI, but for this kind of survey, the source is probably fine if you qualify it as "According to Wolff System Technologies...blah blah blah". Their name still has clout and value. At one time, they were the big boys , they do know a thing or two and have the reach to do a decent survey that isn't focused on their particular product. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:34, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- This is original research, so can't be used, but it is factual and perhaps worth noting: 2004 was near the peak of indoor tanning. Since then, over 90% of the companies have gone out of business, and new FDA regulations that went into effect this summer have made it virtually impossible to enter the market. Realistically, the number of people tanning is probably way less than half of what it was 10 years ago, and perhaps only 1/4. The newspapers act like tanning is still growing, but that is ignorance borne from the fact that all manufacturing is by privately held companies, so no real data is available. I know because the tradeshows are 1/10th the size, and I know many of the players personally. I also know the lamp manufacturers and what they tell me in private. That is one of the best indicators, since you can't build a bed without a lamp. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:45, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
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